These gloves were just what I was looking for, warm, but still light and seal well under my winter parka.The only negative is that they are very slippery to drive with. I solved that problem by rubbing Snow-Seal on to them. Now they are extra waterproof and grippy. I'm not sure this would work for the tan gloves, since they could be discolored by the Snow-Seal. But it works fine for the black.